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FAQ
Frequently Asked Questions
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What Size is
the collector?
The 10 tube
double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x xxx x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x1500x130mm (LxWxH)
The 30 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x2170x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube double-walled
tube collector (58mm tubes) is 1900x1660x200mm (LxWxH)
The 30 tube double-walled tube collector (58mm tubes) is 1900x
xxx x200mm (LxWxH)
The 10 tube single-walled
tube collector (70mm tubes) is 1760x1000x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube single-walled tube collector (70mm tubes) is 1760x
xxx x130mm (LxWxH)
How
do vacuum tube solar panels compare with flat plates?
On a hot, sunny day, flat plate panels will produce the same
amount of heat, more or less, as for vacuum tube panels of the
same area. Under ALL other conditions, the vacuum tube panel
will outperform flat plate panels - usually by a very
significant margin. Flat plate panels perform badly during windy
weather, in cold conditions, in overcast conditions etc. Some of
the very best flat plate collectors can compensate for this with
more advanced design, but even then, they still do not perform
as well as vacuum tube panels.
What
weight are the collectors?
The 20tube 47mm panel is 48kg, the others are more or less
proportional to this weight
Are The
Tubes Fragile? Are they tough enough to survive impact from
falling hailstones and animals?
The tubes are made
from borosilicate glass, which is very tough (also known as
pyrex). The tubes are designed to withstand hailstones up to
35mm - so they are unlikely to be broken, unless dropped
onto a solid floor prior to installation. Impact from falling
animals is not normally considered in the design of the tubes(!)
What size
solar cylinder should I fit?
We recommend that the Navitron 20tube panel is used with
cylinders up to 175litres, and the Navitron 30tube panel is used
with cylinders up to 260litres. Larger cylinders can be heated
with 2 or more panels, and it is possible to add an extra panel
to benefit from higher temperatures in the winter. In fact, if
you fit a smaller cylinder, you will have hotter water, but of
course less of it. We would recommend fitting a tank of
135litres if you prefer a smaller amount of hotter water.
What is
the output of the panel in terms of kWh?
This varies according to the time of year - in summer we get
almost 10times the amount of solar energy that we do in the
winter. In the summer, you can expect to get 14kWh of heat per
day from a single 20tube panel, whereas in December you can
expect only 1.15kWh per day on average. Even in the winter, it
is possible to preheat the water to 40C or more if the sun comes
out. In fact, if you fit multiple panels, it is possible to heat
your hot water to 100C in January (we have seen this in
Cornwall).
How hot will the water get?
This depends on the size of the cylinder you chose, and the
amount of water you use. A smaller cylinder will be heated to
higher temperatures, whereas a larger cylinder will heat more
water, but not to the same extent. Systems are generally
designed to heat water to 65C or so, although during the winter,
it may be necessary to 'top-up' the heat on less sunny days.
Large arrays, running high temperature solar antifreeze at high
pressures can be designed to achieve temperatures of 170C or
more!
Where do these need placing and at what
angle?
Panels should be sited on a south facing wall or roof. In fact,
anywhere between South-West and South East will give good
results. If you are limited to an East-West facing system, then
you will need two panels to provide the same amount of hot water
as a single south-facing roof slope. The most frequent solution
to this problem is normally to mount one panel on the east slope
and a second panel on the west slope. A special controller is
available for East/West facing installations.
The panels should be mounted
at the angle of your lattitude. For example, at our location in
the UK, this is 53˚. This is AVERAGE optimum angle. In fact, in
winter the optimum angle is 15˚ steeper, whereas in the summer
it is 15˚ shallower. The panels will function anywhere between
15 and 90˚ angle of inclination. This is actually academic, a
variation of 15˚ will make very little difference to the output,
so most people simply settle for whatever angle their roof slope
is. The extra cost of trying to stand panels off the roof to
achieve better efficiency would probably be better spent on
purchasing a second panel!
Does
the roof need to be strengthened at all?
The solar panel in operation weighs around 50kg - this is really
not much weight for a roof, when you consider the weight of the
tiles or slates. Generally there is no requirement to strengthen
a house roof prior to mounting the solar panel, except if you
are fitting a panel to a very old roof, which has sagging and
decaying timbers.
Are spares available?
Yes, spares are always available, should you need them. With no
moving parts, it is very unlikely that you will need to replace
anything, but occasionally customers break tubes during the
installation process, in which case you can purchase a
modestly-priced replacement. However, it is not possible to post
a replacement tube, so you will need to collect it. The tubes
are made of borosillicate glass (aka 'pyrex') so they are
actually very tough.
Are
the panels guaranteed?
Yes, we offer a 12month guarantee, although, with no moving
parts the panels are extremely long-lived, probably in excess of
25years. In fact, the manufacturers offer a much longer
guarantee, but in the UK we do not offer this extended period
due to the legal requirements - if we were to offer a 25year
guarantee, we would need to take out an 'indemnity' policy on
the product. The insurance company bases its risk on an
assumption that if it priced the policy on the basis of
replacing the unit once within 25years, then they will ensure
profitability regardless of claims - thus they would cost this in at
probably £300 or more per item sold. The cost is out of line with our policy
of keeping prices as low as possible, and We decided that most
customers probably would not want to pay this additional fee!
Can I
fit this system DIY?
Yes you can! These systems are very easy to fit, and anyone with
basic plumbing and electric skills can carry out a DIY
installation. Mounting the panel on the roof is sometimes
daunting, although it is actually quite simple - but we can
offer this service, if required.
What if
I have a combi boiler?
Have a look at this page -
where you can also find a light-hearted alternative!
Can
I come on a course to learn how to install solar water heating
systems?
Yes you can! We run training courses every month, which are
designed to run through everything you need to know, whether you
are planning to DIY, or become a professional installer.
Will the system need to be inspected by a
plumber or be installed by a
plumber?
No, you can do this yourself. However, you can call in a
plumber to carry out the work if you feel you are not able to
tackle to plumbing yourself.
We normally recommend that you fit a pressurised system. This is
not essential, but it allows you to place the solar panel on the
roof without worrying about whether it is possible to place the
header tank high enough to function correctly. With a
pressurised system, the plumbing is simpler, and by running the
system at 1-2bar, it is possible to increase the boiling point
of the water to 120C or higher - allowing greater safety
margins, and lower chance of fluid loss.
How much maintenance do the systems
require?
Very little maintenance is required for solar water heating
systems. You should occasionally check the system pressure, to
make sure there has been no water loss, and to check for any air
in the system. The only other requirement is to ensure that
there is an electricity supply connected at all times, otherwise
without pump circulation, in strong sunshine, the panel could
overheat, and start to boil off water.
What about freezing in Cold
Weather?
The solar panel is very well insulated - the manifold is
surrounded by 2"of rockwool insulation. This is better than your
outdoor water pipes, so it is unlikely to freeze except in
exceptionally cold weather. However, it is recommended that you
take precautions to prevent the possibility of freezing, by either adding antifreeze to the
system (use a non-toxic solar antifreeze) or you can use a DELTASOL
B controller which has 'freeze protection' - this controller
monitors the temperature of the collector - and if it falls
below 4C, it will turn on the pump, allowing water to circulate
and heat the manifold. You should turn this function off
if you use antifreeze.
Can I use Solar Power with a
Mains Pressure Hot Water Cylinder?
Yes. There are two ways to achieve this. You can either purchase
a mains pressure unvented water cylinder (these can be
expensive). Please note that you will have to have a pressure
vessel certificate to install these. Alternatively, you can fit
a 'solar store' cylinder (see below)
What is a Thermal Store?
A thermal store is a tank which has an additional large surface
area high efficiency coil fitted. The mains cold water is fed
into this coil, thus heating the water on its way through. The
mains water exits the tank as hot as the hottest water in the
tank, but without losing any pressure - thus providing mains
pressue hot water to the household taps.
Can I get a grant for these systems?
Grants are only available for professionally installed systems.
At the moment, the Navitron panel is undergoing testing for the
solar grant. However, this will take several months, and costs
in the region of £15000. The government has refused to allow
a UK laboratory to carry out the required tests - so we are
forced to use labs on the continent - which pushes up the cost
of the exercise. Once we have carried out the required tests,
the price of the panels will have to increase to cover the
investment. For this reason, it is likely that the grant will
not make the solar installation any cheaper. Navitron solar
installations are available at £2500, whereas the grant-aided
systems are generally £6000-8000, with a £400 grant!
Do I need planning permission?
In most cases, no. Evacuated tube solar panels are
considered in the same way as roof windows. Unless you live in a
listed building, it is unlikely that it will require planning
permission. Even if you do live in a listed building, you can
usually fit the panel to the rear of the building, or at ground
level without requiring planning permission
Can I power the pump with solar energy?
Yes, this is possible. For flat plate collectors, manufacturers
will specify a 5W photovoltaic panel, and a 5-10W low voltage
pump. This is because flate plate collectors do not work
efficiently in low sun conditions, so the pump only needs to
function in bright sunlight. This is insufficient for evacuated
tubes, which due to their high efficiency, will require pump
circulation even in overcast conditions. For this reason, the
pump should be rated at least 10W, and the panel 20W to provide
sufficient circulation. At the moment, there is no
cost-effective low voltage pump on the market suitable for
pumping hot water. The most popular 12v solar pump, the 'ivan'
retails at around £150-200, making this an expensive option. It
is possible to use a solar photovoltaic panel to drive a mains
inverter, powering a standard 220v circulation pump, but most
customers do not want the complexity of such as system.
What is the difference between the
single-walled and double-walled solar panels?
The difference relates to the design of the solar tubes. The
standard tubes are double-walled, with a vacuum between the two
walls of the glass. The centre is filled with air and the
heatpipe runs up through the centre. The single walled tube is
entirely filled with vacuum, and the vacuum is sealed by a
glass-metal weld sealing the heatpipe to the glass. This is
technically much more difficult to do, hence the cost is much
higher. The single walled tube has a marginal advantage over the
double-walled tube in that it reacts much quicker to sunlight (eg
in winter
it starts to heat water within 5-10minutes rather than
10-15minutes, and in summer the single walled tubes will start
heating in just 30-45seconds whereas the double-walled tubes
will take 2-3minutes) - so it is slightly more efficient in marginal
conditions. However, it also cools down quicker, whereas the
standard tube will continue to heat for 10-15minutes after the
sun goes in. A 10tube single walled panel (70mm diameter tubes)
produces about 10% less heat than a standard 20tube
double-walled panel (47mm diameter tubes).
How
many panels/tubes do I require to meet my household needs?
This is a difficult question to answer as it depends on your
water usage. For example, one person that contacted us lives in
a motorhome, and uses only 70litres of hot water over a two week
period. A young couple I spoke to estimated their hot water
consumption to be at least 400litres per day!
First you should calculate how large a hot water cylinder you
require to meet your needs. Remember that solar cylinders are
normally designed to store water for use over 2 days, rather
than one, thus allowing you hot water even if the following day
is cloudy. Once you have calculated your cylinder size, you can
estimate your panel size on the basis of One Solar Tube per 6.5
- 8.5litres of hot water cylinder (i.e. a 20tube panel can
supply hot water for a 120-170litre cylinder, and a 30tube panel
can supply 180 - 255litres). This assumes you have an unshaded
south-facing roofslope to mount the panel
Can I
heat my house with evacuated solar tubes?
There is 10 times more sun energy in the summer than in the
winter. (this is the reason for the different seasons, after
all). Therefore you immediately have the problem that the bulk
of the energy is at the wrong time of year. The other problem
with using solar to heat your house is that it is not present at
the times when it is really cold - at night, on very overcast
days, in winter evenings etc.
In practice you can provide a significant amount of
supplementary heat in the spring and autumn (and some people
have implemented such systems), but the contribution in the
winter will be minimal, restricted to sunny days, but you will
need to fit many more panels, as heating a house is a lot larger
task than heating an insulated cylinder of water. Solar water
heating on the other hand, can be effective even in the winter,
as the amount of heat required is considerably less than that
required to heat a house.
How
much heat energy can I store in my cylinder?
Let's use this example - a 260litre cylinder of water, heated to
65°C. Assuming that room temperature in the house is 18°C, then
the difference between the cylinder water and ambient air
temperature (dT) is 47°C. The heat energy stored
can be calculated by multiplying together the volume of water in
the tank (in litres) by the dT by the specific
heat capacity of water (4200kJ/kg K) - i.e. 260 x 47 x 4200 =
51.3MJ. (if we are really fussy, we can add the heat capacity of
the copper cylinder itself - ie 0.2MJ). If we divide this by
3.6M, we arrive at the number of kWh storage ie 14.3kWh.
What
about overheating?
Many people worry about this, although on systems with long
piperuns the maximum temperature will be controlled by the
insulation on the pipe-runs, as the pipes get hotter, heat
losses will increase. If you correctly size a system, then
overheating is not that likely, but if you oversize the
cylinders - for example if you are a heavy water user and you
want maximum gain, then you will need to consider cooling
issues- particularly if you plan to go away on holiday during
mid summer (ie no water drawn off for a week or two). There are
various ways to do it, using the BS3 controller:
- Overheating
protection can be achieved by setting the controller to
continue to circulate the water after the sun goes down -
this effectively utilises the pipework to cool the cylinder.
When the cylinder drops below the set temperature, it ceases
to circulate.
- 'Aftercooling'
function - when enabled, this function will divert the solar
heated water through a separate loop to dump the excess heat
- this could be
a.) A towel radiator in a bathroom
b.) A
radiator installed simply for dumping heat - eg on the
outside of the house (assuming it is weatherproof) or in the
roofspace).
c.) If the
existing boiler system connected to the top coil in the
solar cylinder is pumped, you can use the BS3 solar
controller relay to drive the existing central heating pump
directly, which will effectively extract heat from the coil
inside the cylinder by pumping water around the boiler and
house radiators. You should ensure that the boiler is turned
off or use a relay between the pump and the boiler
controller, to prevent the boiler switching on (normally if
the pump is powered-up, as it is connected to the 'call'
function of the boiler controller, it will also fire up the
boiler). This method involves NO PLUMBING so it can be more
attractive for that reason.
Do I need planning permission for solar panels?
You should refer this question to your local planning department
for a definitive answer, but the answer is normally 'No, you do
not require planning permission'. This is because solar panels
satisfy the 'permitted development' requirements that they 'do
not significantly project above the roof plane'. If you live in
a listed building, an AONB, Conservation Area etc, then you may
be subject to different planning rules. In these circumstances,
it is usually possible to site solar panels without the need for
planning permission (do a search on our forum pages for more
information), but it varies from case to case. It is also
usually possible to mount the panels at ground level to avoid
the need for planning permission, if necessary!
How many panels do I need to heat my pool?
It depends what area of pool you need to heat, how well
insulated it is, whether it has a pool cover, if it is
above/below ground, how many weeks of the year you need to use
it etc. However, as a rule of thumb we recommend that you start
with solar panels equivalent to 25% of the pool area, but you
can increase this up to 35% if more heat is required. As the
panels are modular, it is easy to upgrade the panels at a later
date if required. We strongly recommend the use of a pool cover
when the pool is not in use, as it dramatically reduces heat
loss through evaporation.
Email:
sales@navitron.org.uk
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