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What Size is
the collector?
The 10 tube
double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x 760 x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x1500x130mm (LxWxH)
The 30 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x2170x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube double-walled
tube collector (58mm tubes) is 1900x1660x130mm (LxWxH)
The 30 tube double-walled tube collector (58mm tubes) is 1900x
2406 x130mm (LxWxH)
The 10 tube single-walled
tube collector (70mm tubes) is 1760x1000x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube single-walled tube collector (70mm tubes) is 1760x
1950 x130mm (LxWxH)
How
do vacuum tube solar panels compare with flat plates?
On a hot, sunny day, flat plate panels will produce the same
amount of heat, more or less, as for vacuum tube panels of the
same area. Under ALL other conditions, the vacuum tube panel
will outperform flat plate panels - usually by a very
significant margin. Flat plate panels perform badly during windy
weather, in cold conditions, in overcast conditions etc. Some of
the very best flat plate collectors can compensate for this with
more advanced design, but even then, they still do not perform
as well as vacuum tube panels.
What
weight are the collectors?
The 20tube 47mm panel is 48kg, the others are more or less
proportional to this weight
Are The
Tubes Fragile? Are they tough enough to survive impact from
falling hailstones and animals?
The tubes are made
from borosilicate glass, which is very tough (also known as
pyrex). The tubes are designed to withstand hailstones up to
35mm - so they are unlikely to be broken, unless dropped
onto a solid floor prior to installation. Impact from falling
animals is not normally considered in the design of the tubes(!)
What size
solar cylinder should I fit?
We recommend that the Navitron 20tube panel is used with
cylinders up to 175litres, and the Navitron 30tube panel is used
with cylinders up to 260litres. Larger cylinders can be heated
with 2 or more panels, and it is possible to add an extra panel
to benefit from higher temperatures in the winter. In fact, if
you fit a smaller cylinder, you will have hotter water, but of
course less of it. We would recommend fitting a tank of
135litres if you prefer a smaller amount of hotter water.
What is
the output of the panel in terms of kWh?
This varies according to the time of year - in summer we get
almost 10times the amount of solar energy that we do in the
winter. In the summer, you can expect to get 14kWh of heat per
day from a single 20tube panel, whereas in December you can
expect only 1.15kWh per day on average. Even in the winter, it
is possible to preheat the water to 40C or more if the sun comes
out. In fact, if you fit multiple panels, it is possible to heat
your hot water to 100C in January (we have seen this in
Cornwall).
What
is the difference between the 47mm, 58mm and 70mm tubes?
The standard tubes are 47mm, and are of twin wall construction.
The 58mm tubes are also twin-walled, but longer (1.8m rather
than 1.5m) and wider. This means that for a given number of
tubes the 58mm tubes will produce 50% more heat than the same
number of 47mm tubes (but the cost is 50% higher too!). The 47mm
tubes are easier to transport, and are less fragile in handling
due to their shorter length. The 70mm solar tubes are
single-walled construction. This is more expensive to
manufacture, but provides better performance in extreme
conditions. A 10tube 70mm panel should produce around 90% of the
output of a 20tube 47mm panel.
How hot will the water get?
This depends on the size of the cylinder you chose, and the
amount of water you use. A smaller cylinder will be heated to
higher temperatures, whereas a larger cylinder will heat more
water, but not to the same extent. Systems are generally
designed to heat water to 65C or so, although during the winter,
it may be necessary to 'top-up' the heat on less sunny days.
Large arrays, running high temperature solar antifreeze at high
pressures can be designed to achieve temperatures of 170C or
more!
Where do these need placing and at what
angle?
Panels should be sited on a south facing wall or roof. In fact,
anywhere between South-West and South East will give good
results. If you are limited to an East-West facing system, then
you will need two panels to provide the same amount of hot water
as a single south-facing roof slope. The most frequent solution
to this problem is normally to mount one panel on the east slope
and a second panel on the west slope. A special controller is
available for East/West facing installations.
The panels should be mounted
at the angle of your lattitude. For example, at our location in
the UK, this is 53˚. This is AVERAGE optimum angle. In fact, in
winter the optimum angle is 15˚ steeper, whereas in the summer
it is 15˚ shallower. The panels will function anywhere between
15 and 90˚ angle of inclination. This is actually academic, a
variation of 15˚ will make very little difference to the output,
so most people simply settle for whatever angle their roof slope
is. The extra cost of trying to stand panels off the roof to
achieve better efficiency would probably be better spent on
purchasing a second panel!
Does
the roof need to be strengthened at all?
The solar panel in operation weighs around 50kg - this is really
not much weight for a roof, when you consider the weight of the
tiles or slates. Generally there is no requirement to strengthen
a house roof prior to mounting the solar panel, except if you
are fitting a panel to a very old roof, which has sagging and
decaying timbers.
Are spares available?
Yes, spares are always available, should you need them. With no
moving parts, it is very unlikely that you will need to replace
anything, but occasionally customers break tubes during the
installation process, in which case you can purchase a
modestly-priced replacement. However, it is not possible to post
a replacement tube, so you will need to collect it. The tubes
are made of borosillicate glass (aka 'pyrex') so they are
actually very tough.
Are
the panels guaranteed?
Yes, we offer a 12month guarantee, although, with no moving
parts the panels are extremely long-lived, probably in excess of
25years. In fact, the manufacturers offer a much longer
guarantee, but in the UK we do not offer this extended period
due to the legal requirements - if we were to offer a 25year
guarantee, we would need to take out an 'indemnity' policy on
the product. The insurance company bases its risk on an
assumption that if it priced the policy on the basis of
replacing the unit once within 25years, then they will ensure
profitability regardless of claims - thus they would cost this in at
probably £300 or more per item sold. The cost is out of line with our policy
of keeping prices as low as possible, and We decided that most
customers probably would not want to pay this additional fee!
Can I
fit this system DIY?
Yes you can! These systems are very easy to fit, and anyone with
basic plumbing and electric skills can carry out a DIY
installation. Mounting the panel on the roof is sometimes
daunting, although it is actually quite simple - but we can
offer this service, if required.
What if
I have a combi boiler?
Have a look at this page -
where you can also find a light-hearted alternative!
Can
I come on a course to learn how to install solar water heating
systems?
Yes you can! We run training courses every month, which are
designed to run through everything you need to know, whether you
are planning to DIY, or become a professional installer.
Will the system need to be inspected by a
plumber or be installed by a
plumber?
No, you can do this yourself. However, you can call in a
plumber to carry out the work if you feel you are not able to
tackle to plumbing yourself.
We normally recommend that you fit a pressurised system. This is
not essential, but it allows you to place the solar panel on the
roof without worrying about whether it is possible to place the
header tank high enough to function correctly. With a
pressurised system, the plumbing is simpler, and by running the
system at 1-2bar, it is possible to increase the boiling point
of the water to 120C or higher - allowing greater safety
margins, and lower chance of fluid loss.
How much maintenance do the systems
require?
Very little maintenance is required for solar water heating
systems. You should occasionally check the system pressure, to
make sure there has been no water loss, and to check for any air
in the system. The only other requirement is to ensure that
there is an electricity supply connected at all times, otherwise
without pump circulation, in strong sunshine, the panel could
overheat, and start to boil off water.
What about freezing in Cold
Weather?
The solar panel is very well insulated - the manifold is
surrounded by 2"of rockwool insulation. This is better than your
outdoor water pipes, so it is unlikely to freeze except in
exceptionally cold weather. However, it is recommended that you
take precautions to prevent the possibility of freezing, by either adding antifreeze to the
system (use a non-toxic solar antifreeze) or you can use a DELTASOL
B controller which has 'freeze protection' - this controller
monitors the temperature of the collector - and if it falls
below 4C, it will turn on the pump, allowing water to circulate
and heat the manifold. You should turn this function off
if you use antifreeze.
Can I use Solar Power with a
Mains Pressure Hot Water Cylinder?
Yes. There are two ways to achieve this. You can either purchase
a mains pressure unvented water cylinder (these can be
expensive). Please note that you will have to have a pressure
vessel certificate to install these. Alternatively, you can fit
a 'solar store' cylinder (see below)
What is a Thermal Store?
A thermal store is a tank which has an additional large surface
area high efficiency coil fitted. The mains cold water is fed
into this coil, thus heating the water on its way through. The
mains water exits the tank as hot as the hottest water in the
tank, but without losing any pressure - thus providing mains
pressue hot water to the household taps.
Can I get a grant for these systems?
Grants are only available for professionally installed systems.
At the moment, the Navitron panel is undergoing testing for the
solar grant. However, this will take several months, and costs
in the region of £15000. The government has refused to allow
a UK laboratory to carry out the required tests - so we are
forced to use labs on the continent - which pushes up the cost
of the exercise. Once we have carried out the required tests,
the price of the panels will have to increase to cover the
investment. For this reason, it is likely that the grant will
not make the solar installation any cheaper. Navitron solar
installations are available at £2500, whereas the grant-aided
systems are generally £6000-8000, with a £400 grant!
Do I need planning permission?
In most cases, no. Evacuated tube solar panels are
considered in the same way as roof windows. Unless you live in a
listed building, it is unlikely that it will require planning
permission. Even if you do live in a listed building, you can
usually fit the panel to the rear of the building, or at ground
level without requiring planning permission
Can I power the pump with solar energy?
Yes, this is possible. For flat plate collectors, manufacturers
will specify a 5W photovoltaic panel, and a 5-10W low voltage
pump. This is because flate plate collectors do not work
efficiently in low sun conditions, so the pump only needs to
function in bright sunlight. This is insufficient for evacuated
tubes, which due to their high efficiency, will require pump
circulation even in overcast conditions. For this reason, the
pump should be rated at least 10W, and the panel 20W to provide
sufficient circulation. At the moment, there is no
cost-effective low voltage pump on the market suitable for
pumping hot water. The most popular 12v solar pump, the 'ivan'
retails at around £150-200, making this an expensive option. It
is possible to use a solar photovoltaic panel to drive a mains
inverter, powering a standard 220v circulation pump, but most
customers do not want the complexity of such as system.
What is the difference between the
single-walled and double-walled solar panels?
The difference relates to the design of the solar tubes. The
standard tubes are double-walled, with a vacuum between the two
walls of the glass. The centre is filled with air and the
heatpipe runs up through the centre. The single walled tube is
entirely filled with vacuum, and the vacuum is sealed by a
glass-metal weld sealing the heatpipe to the glass. This is
technically much more difficult to do, hence the cost is much
higher. The single walled tube has a marginal advantage over the
double-walled tube in that it reacts much quicker to sunlight (eg
in winter
it starts to heat water within 5-10minutes rather than
10-15minutes, and in summer the single walled tubes will start
heating in just 30-45seconds whereas the double-walled tubes
will take 2-3minutes) - so it is slightly more efficient in marginal
conditions. However, it also cools down quicker, whereas the
standard tube will continue to heat for 10-15minutes after the
sun goes in. A 10tube single walled panel (70mm diameter tubes)
produces about 10% less heat than a standard 20tube
double-walled panel (47mm diameter tubes).
How
many panels/tubes do I require to meet my household needs?
This is a difficult question to answer as it depends on your
water usage. For example, one person that contacted us lives in
a motorhome, and uses only 70litres of hot water over a two week
period. A young couple I spoke to estimated their hot water
consumption to be at least 400litres per day!
First you should calculate how large a hot water cylinder you
require to meet your needs. Remember that solar cylinders are
normally designed to store water for use over 2 days, rather
than one, thus allowing you hot water even if the following day
is cloudy. Once you have calculated your cylinder size, you can
estimate your panel size on the basis of One Solar Tube per 6.5
- 8.5litres of hot water cylinder (i.e. a 20tube panel can
supply hot water for a 120-170litre cylinder, and a 30tube panel
can supply 180 - 255litres). This assumes you have an unshaded
south-facing roofslope to mount the panel
Can I
heat my house with evacuated solar tubes?
There is 10 times more sun energy in the summer than in the
winter. (this is the reason for the different seasons, after
all). Therefore you immediately have the problem that the bulk
of the energy is at the wrong time of year. The other problem
with using solar to heat your house is that it is not present at
the times when it is really cold - at night, on very overcast
days, in winter evenings etc.
In practice you can provide a significant amount of
supplementary heat in the spring and autumn (and some people
have implemented such systems), but the contribution in the
winter will be minimal, restricted to sunny days, but you will
need to fit many more panels, as heating a house is a lot larger
task than heating an insulated cylinder of water. Solar water
heating on the other hand, can be effective even in the winter,
as the amount of heat required is considerably less than that
required to heat a house.
How
much heat energy can I store in my cylinder?
Let's use this example - a 260litre cylinder of water, heated to
65°C. Assuming that room temperature in the house is 18°C, then
the difference between the cylinder water and ambient air
temperature (dT) is 47°C. The heat energy stored
can be calculated by multiplying together the volume of water in
the tank (in litres) by the dT by the specific
heat capacity of water (4200kJ/kg K) - i.e. 260 x 47 x 4200 =
51.3MJ. (if we are really fussy, we can add the heat capacity of
the copper cylinder itself - ie 0.2MJ). If we divide this by
3.6M, we arrive at the number of kWh storage ie 14.3kWh.
What
about overheating?
Many people worry about this, although on systems with long
piperuns the maximum temperature will be controlled by the
insulation on the pipe-runs, as the pipes get hotter, heat
losses will increase. If you correctly size a system, then
overheating is not that likely, but if you oversize the
cylinders - for example if you are a heavy water user and you
want maximum gain, then you will need to consider cooling
issues- particularly if you plan to go away on holiday during
mid summer (ie no water drawn off for a week or two). There are
various ways to do it, using the BS3 controller:
- Overheating
protection can be achieved by setting the controller to
continue to circulate the water after the sun goes down (OREC) -
this effectively utilises the pipework to cool the cylinder.
When the cylinder drops below the set temperature, it ceases
to circulate.
- 'Aftercooling'
function - when enabled, this function will divert the solar
heated water through a separate loop to dump the excess heat
- this could be
a.) A towel radiator in a bathroom
b.) A
radiator installed simply for dumping heat - eg on the
outside of the house (assuming it is weatherproof) or in the
roofspace).
c.) If the
existing boiler system connected to the top coil in the
solar cylinder is pumped, you can use the BS3 solar
controller relay to drive the existing central heating pump
directly, which will effectively extract heat from the coil
inside the cylinder by pumping water around the boiler and
house radiators. You should ensure that the boiler is turned
off or use a relay between the pump and the boiler
controller, to prevent the boiler switching on (normally if
the pump is powered-up, as it is connected to the 'call'
function of the boiler controller, it will also fire up the
boiler). This method involves NO PLUMBING so it can be more
attractive for that reason.
- Even if you have not
implemented any of the above, when the panel gets too hot,
and steam is produced, the extra volume of the system will
be absorbed by the expansion vessel. When the system recools,
the steam will condense again and the system will start to
work again, without the need to refill or top-up. You should
not rely on this method routinely, but it will protect the
system without causing damage.
Do I need planning permission for solar panels?
You should refer this question to your local planning department
for a definitive answer, but the answer is normally 'No, you do
not require planning permission'. This is because solar panels
satisfy the 'permitted development' requirements that they 'do
not significantly project above the roof plane'. If you live in
a listed building, an AONB, Conservation Area etc, then you may
be subject to different planning rules. In these circumstances,
it is usually possible to site solar panels without the need for
planning permission (do a search on our forum pages for more
information), but it varies from case to case. It is also
usually possible to mount the panels at ground level to avoid
the need for planning permission, if necessary!
How many panels do I need to heat my pool?
It depends what area of pool you need to heat, how well
insulated it is, whether it has a pool cover, if it is
above/below ground, how many weeks of the year you need to use
it etc. However, as a rule of thumb we recommend that you start
with solar panels equivalent to 25% of the pool area, but you
can increase this up to 35% if more heat is required. As the
panels are modular, it is easy to upgrade the panels at a later
date if required. We strongly recommend the use of a pool cover
when the pool is not in use, as it dramatically reduces heat
loss through evaporation.
Can I use a Navitron vacuum tube solar panel with a drain-down
system?
Drain down systems are a fairly primitive method for
frost-protection. The components are large, expensive, and can
easily be avoided using Navitron solar antifreeze or the
frost-protection feature of the Navitron controllers. However,
if you already have a drain-down system, it is possible to
replace your existing panel with a Navitron panel in most cases.
See the following webpage for more information:
Drain-Down
Systems
WIND
Are these prices for real?!
Yes, these are real prices! I think you call it 'ethical
pricing'! It is a full kit - the only thing you will need apart
from this is - batteries (I can supply 110Ah deep-cycle
batteries for £45), battery hook-up wires and cement for the
foundations. These wind turbines are extremely good, and I have
sold a lot in the UK. Unfortunately, as there are a lot of
over-priced wind turbines for sale, it seems too good to be true
- so if you are thinking this, feel free to come and have a look
at the turbines before you buy - you can take one away with you
if you decide you like it.
What the dimensions for the various
turbines?
The dimensions are as
follows:
200W 2m diameter,
4m tower
300W 2.5m diameter, 6m tower
500W 2.7m diameter, 6m tower
1kW 3.0m diameter, 6m tower
What power
wind turbine do I need to power my house?
How do I know?! It
depends on the wind available and the amount of electricity that
you use. Neither is something that I can determine. I can
provide some guidance however -
click here for more
details
Does your wind turbine produce 1kW per
hour or per day?
You are confusing power (kW) and energy (kWh). The wind
turbine power is measured in kW - this means the rate at which
it produces renewable energy. If you measure the amount of
energy produced by the wind turbine in a given time e.g. in a
day, you would do so in kWh (kW hours). So if the turbine ran at
full power (2kW) for 4 hours, then it would produced 2kWx4=8kWh
of energy. Another example is a 100W lightbulb. This uses 0.1kW
of power when it is running. If the light was lit for 5hours,
then it would use 0.1 x 5hours = 0.5kWh of energy
Do I need planning permission?
Planning requirements
vary from one area to another. Most planning departments will
require planning consent for structures over 4m high. However,
planning should not be required for temporary structures - and
many people have successfully argued that a tilt-up tower (as
supplied by Navitron), is a temporary structure, as it can be
lowered to the ground when not in use. The same applies for
mounting the turbine on any kind of moveable structure, such as
a trailer, light gantry, cherry-picker or forklift.
If planning consent is sought, it is normally granted without
problems, and we can help with the wording of planning
applications, if required.
Approximately 95% of customers do not bother with planning
permission, and this does not normally cause problems. You can
always apply retrospectively, if required to do so.
Where should I site the wind turbine?
The turbine should be sited far enough away from living and
sleeping areas so as not to cause disturbance. Consideration
should also be given to neighbours in this respect - after all,
they will not be reaping the free electricity from the wind
turbine! Generally the wind turbine should be at least 6m (for
4m towers) or 8m (for 6m towers) from the house. To ensure
safety, the tower should be sited away from buildings, cars and
play-areas etc. so that no damage will occur to property if
the tower should fall for any reason. You should not allow
anyone to come within 7m of the tower whilst the wind turbine is
operating, or during windy weather, for safety reasons. Some
companies advocate mounting a wind turbine on a rooftop or gable
end. This is strongly discouraged by most installers for the
following reasons: vibration will carry through the building
structure and exaggerate noise inside the building; the building
structure may be weakened by constant vibration, unless a very
small turbine is used; planning consent is much less likely for
roof-mounted turbines and the turbulence associated with a roof
will reduce performance and lifespan
In terms of performance, the
wind turbine should be mounted in an open position away from
trees, buildings or any other structures. The turbine should be
mounted as high as practical, and with clear views to the
prevailing wind. If possible, the turbine should be located on a
hilltop, or ridge on the side exposed to the prevailing winds.
Not all locations can provide ideal positions for wind turbines,
but even theoretically poor sites can yield adequate results,
although you may experience lower outputs.
How much noise do these make?
Wind turbines are not silent, but nor are conventional power
sources (think of petrol or diesel generators!). The wind
turbines make a swishing noise, caused by turbulence around the
blades. This is not particularly loud, and often the noise of
the wind itself and of trees buffeting in the wind is louder.
However, in
strong winds, the turbine can create a whistling noise - so it
is not a good idea to site it immediately next to the bedroom
window, however, with double-glazing, it is unlikely that you
will hear the turbine inside a building 10metres away.
The
survival wind speed (40m/s) seems low
Actually this is quite fast - it is equivalent to 90mph. This is
the highest inland wind speed ever recorded in the UK. However
most wind turbine failures are caused by gusts rather than
constant high speed wind - often gusts will be far faster than
the measured wind speed, and often come from a completely
different direction. For customers in very windy
areas-particularly on the coast in exposed locations - may
consider this survival speed too low. In such circumstances, it
is possible to trim the blades to a shorter length, which will
reduce their performance in low wind speeds, but it will allow
the turbine to withstand higher wind speeds without damage. It
is important to bear in mind that these turbines are low-wind
speed turbines, which in average UK winds, outperform wind
turbines from another British manufacturer rated at 4 times
higher power!
Can I get a grant for these systems?
In order to get approval for the government's so-called grant
scheme, it is a necessary for us to spend £10 000+ getting the
wind turbines approved. If we do this, the price of the wind
turbines would have to be increased substantially to cover the
cost of this approval. When the government have issued little
more than 200 grants in total, it seems that these grants are
not that readily available! DIY installations are specifically
excluded by the grant scheme, so you would be looking at
spending £15 000+ to qualify for a wind turbine grant!
Can I connect the wind
turbine to the grid to sell the electricity?
The wind turbines producing less than 1kW of power are
low-voltage machines, designed for charging 24v-48v battery
banks. You will need a 'grid tie inverter' to feed electricity
into the mains supply. These are special inverters that must
meet the requirements set out in the G83 electrical standard (http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/Commentary-updateJun03.pdf
)However, grid-tie inverters are usually
designed for input voltages of 200-600v, so most are not
suitable for this application. There are a few available for
example Phillips can provide suitable equipment which accepts
low voltage input.
How much maintenance do the systems
require?
The wind turbines are very reliable. No strict
maintenance is necessary, but the turbine blades should be
checked regularly for damage, and to ensure that they are in
balance, and the structural parts (tower, guy wires, anchors
etc) should be checked for structural damage, cracks etc
Are spares available?
Yes, spares are available for these machines. The turbines are
very reliable, so it is unlikely you will need spares, unless
you make a mistake during installation.
Will the system need to be inspected by a
electrician or be installed by an
electrician?
As these are low voltage systems, you do not need to get an
electrician to install or commission the system. However, if you
plan to connect anything to your household wiring system, you
should consult a qualified electrician.
What is the best way to utilise wind
power?
Wind power is not a constant resource. For this reason there are
three ways to use the wind:
1. Store the power in batteries, for reuse when needed
2. Use the power to provide heating (especially useful as houses
lose heat faster in windy weather)
3. Sell the electricity directly to the grid, and buy it back
when required.
Battery storage is the easiest way to utilise wind power. Our
kits are supplied with charge controllers to regulate the power
going to the batteries, but they are also supplied with a dump
load, which will produce heat, once the batteries are fully
charged.
What batteries should I use?
Any type of lead acid battery can be used, but the best
batteries to use are 'deep cycle batteries'. Unlike car
batteries, these are designed to withstand deep discharge
without damage. They are made with much thicker and heavier lead
plates, which are more resistant to damage, and last many times
longer than conventional lead acid batteries. Deep cycle
batteries are also used for forklifts and leisure batteries. We
can supply suitable deep cycle batteries at excellent prices-
please ask us for details.
Do not be tempted to buy gel cell batteries. These are good
batteries, but not very suitable for renewable energy use. This
is because gel cells are designed to be charged carefully, and
within strict limitations. The variable nature of renewable
energy makes this application quite unsuitable.
How many batteries do I need?
The smaller wind turbines are designed for 24v usage. The 500W
turbine is designed for 36v and the 1kW for 48v. You therefore
need to use the appropriate number of 12v deep cycle batteries
connected in series i.e. 2x12v for 24v operation, 3x12v for 36v
or 4x12v for 48v. If you need higher capacity, you can make up
additional banks of batteries and put these in parallel - see
diagram below:

What is the recommended system voltage and wattage, and why?
It is a matter of personal preference, and there are
many variables that affect this decision. Often it is necessary
to chose a wind turbine that has to integrate into an existing
system - eg photovoltaics, an existing battery bank or a DC
backup system. In this case, your choice of turbine will be
determined to some extent by the existing system voltage. If you
are not constrained by this, you need to work out how much power
you require, and how much power is available. Wind power varies
enormously from one site to another, and even at different
locations on the same site, but as a general rule, in a good
location you will expect about 30% of the maximum output when
you average out over the whole year. You can expect
proportionately more power during the winter months, and periods
of bad weather.
Incidentally, it is possible
to boost the performance of the wind turbine in very low wind
conditions by using it will a smaller battery bank than
intended. For example, if you use a 500W 36v turbine to charge
24v batteries, then the power curve will be shifted towards
lower wind speeds, but with a penalty of having a lower maximum
output. One customer reported that his Navitron 500W turbine
massively exceeded the output of a Proven 2kW turbine in almost
all conditions, when used with a 24v battery.
How do I connect the batteries?
The batteries should be connected in series to produce
the required voltage. In other words, if you wish to make up a
36v battery bank using three 12v batteries, you should connect
the negative terminal of battery '1' to the positive terminal of
battery '2' and the negative terminal of battery '2' to the
positive terminal of battery '3'. The charge controller output
should then be connected to the positive terminal of battery '1'
and the negative terminal of battery '3'.
Where can I get the cables for the batteries?
Battery cable can be made up from sufficiently thick
copper cable, short lengths of steel or brass bar with battery
clamps attached, or if you have screw terminals, you can make
connectors from steel plate with appropriately drilled holes. It
is also possible to purchase battery cable from battery or
renewable energy suppliers, but expect to pay a high price!
Do you have 12v wind turbines for sale?
Yes, we can now supply the 200W and 300W turbines suitable for
12v operation
Can I use the 200W/300W wind turbine with
12v (or 500W/1000W turbine on 24v)?
Yes, you can use any of the wind turbines that I sell on 24v or
12v systems. This will mean that the maximum power output is
much reduced as the battery will act as a brake. For example, if
you use the 500W (36v) turbine with 12 volt systems expect 1/3
of the power, so around 180Watts max, on a 24 volt system the
same machine will produce about 365 Watts max. On the other hand
your cut in speed is much reduced. If you were to use a 200 Watt
(24v) Navitron wind turbine on a 12v system, its cut in speed
will be reduced from around 4.5m/s to around 2.5m/s and on low
wind sites, you will get much more power out of it over a week.
You have to obtain a new voltage regulator to prevent
over-charging of the battery.
****note: 12v versions of the
200W/300W turbines now available, also 24v version of the 500W
turbine also available******
How do I tell how
charged my Batteries are?
The state-of-charge of a lead-acid
battery can, to a certain extent, be estimated by measuring the
open terminal voltage. Prior to measuring, the battery must have
rested for 4-8 hours after charge or discharge and reside at
room temperature. A cold battery would show slightly higher
voltages and a hot battery would be lower. Plate additions of
calcium and antimony will also vary the open terminal voltage.
Furthermore, AGM has a higher voltage plateau than the flooded
lead acid
| State of Charge |
Voltage (open circuit) |
| 100% |
12.65v |
| 75% |
12.45v |
| 50% |
12.24v |
| 25% |
12.06v |
| 0% |
11.89v |
Why does my inverter shut down
unexpectedly?
This can be for two possible reasons - either the inverter is
overloaded, or the voltage is too low (due to battery voltage
too low, poor battery connections or insufficiently heavy
battery cable). The inverter shuts down before the batteries are
completely discharged to protect the battery from damage
Should
I balance the blades before use?
Yes. Balancing the blades
will result in trouble free running, smoother operation with
less vibration and longer bearing life.
How do I
balance the blades?
This is actually quite
simply. With the turbine in its normal position, and stationary,
blades and hub attached, simply place a weight onto one of the
blades extended horizontally from the hub. Start with the weight
next to the hub, and gradually move it outwards until the blade
starts to turn. Measure the minimum distance required to start
turning. Repeat with each blade. If all the measurements are the
same, then the blades are balanced. If however, one blade
requires the weight to be further out, it means that this blade
is lighter, and therefore more weight must be added. You can do
this by sandwiching lead plates between the blades and the
retaining plates.
Do I need to protect my turbine from
Lightning?
In many
areas, this is not a real threat, however wind
turbine towers should be properly grounded or
induced current from a nearby lightning strike
could damage the associated electronics.
Generally, the metal components of the tower and
turbine should be grounded to one or more ground
rods near the tower base. Very tall towers
should have a ground rod at the base plus an
additional ground rod at each guy anchor, with
all guy wires that connect to that anchor bonded
together
How much power can I
feed into the National Grid (If using
Grid-connect inverters)?
The electricity companies restrict grid-tie
systems to 3.6kW per phase (ie 10kW for 3
phase). The supply lines will handle a great
deal more than this (an average house has a 100A
fuse - so you can consume up to 24kW). You can
often agree a higher grid-feed limit, but this
normally requires a survey - which can cost up
to £500.
WATER
What
power output is available?
We can supply water turbines from 200W to 1000kW
What is
the voltage/frequency output?
220v 50Hz single phase a.c.
Why not
low voltage DC?
Because the higher voltage allows you to site the water turbine
further away from the house without incurring heavy powerline
losses. Also, it allows you to use these turbines directly with
household wiring, without the expense and efficiency losses
provided by an inverter system. It is of course necessary to
ensure that the incoming mains electricity and the
turbine-produced electric are kept separate using a changeover
switch.
What
about load variations?
All of our turbines come with an integral dump load connected to a
voltage stabiliser circuit. Some manufacturers supply these at
additional costs of hundreds of pounds. The voltage stabiliser ensures that a constant maximum
load is placed on the turbine at all times. The circuitry reacts
to changes in applied load, and feeds any excess power into the
dump load, thus maintaining voltage and frequency.
What Head of Water do I need?
The minimum head is 1.8m. Ideally, you should have more head
than this, as you need a large volume of water to produce
sufficient power at low head sites
Can
you survey my site for me, and tell me how much power I can
produce?
Yes, we can, but it takes time, travel etc. We prefer to
concentrate on offering the best products at the lowest prices,
in order to make these technologies affordable. Consequently, we
do not build-in the cost of so-called 'free surveys' into the
price. Instead we try to offer all the information you will need
in order to do it yourself. Therefore we can offer the service
at a price, but you need to consider the cost of the survey with
the cost of buying a turbine and some pipe to try it out. For
small scale sites, our turbine prices are so competitive, you
might as well do some crude calculations yourself, and purchase
a turbine to test it out.
Can I
survey my own site to save money?
Yes, of course! We encourage customers to do this, as surveying
costs are high, and yet it is very easy to achieve fairly
accurate results by carrying out a DIY survey. Many installers
will try to make you believe that this is a magic art which
requires great skill. Read below to find out how to survey your
own water site, and then decide if you agree!
How do I calculate the
potential power of a site?
You need to measure the maximum fall available and the flow
rate. Bear in mind that flow rate varies considerably by season,
and the turbine will not work if flow rate drops below the
design requirements. The power output (watts) = head (metres) x
flow (litres/second) x gravitational constant ('g' i.e. 9.81) x
efficiency (~70%)
How
do I measure head?
The best method is to use a laser level. Set up the laser level
at the point where you intend to divert water from the main
flow. It is easier to set this up at waist height, so measure
the height difference from the level to the water level. Use the
laser level to project a level to a point above the lower part
of the water course, where you intend to place the water turbine
(use a tall tree, wall or similar to project onto). Measure the
difference in height between this projected level and the water
level at the lower point. Deduct the height difference between
the laser level and the water level at the top of the
watercourse. This is your head. If necessary you can do this in
several stages, if you are surveying a long watercourse. As a
crude method, on high head sites, it is sometimes possible to
use the height contours on an ordnance survey map to give an
approximation.
How
do I measure the flow rate?
This depends on the amount of water you are trying to measure.
The flow of a small stream can be measured by finding a natural
dam, or installing a crude temporary dam, and diverting the flow
into a large bucket. Measure the capacity of the bucket
beforehand, and time how long it takes to fill the bucket. For
larger water courses, where this is impractical, you can
estimate the average depth and width of the water. You can then
drop a leaf or stick onto the surface of the water and time how
long it takes to float 1m (or 10m etc). For example if the
average depth is 1m and the average width is 5m, and it takes
4seconds for the stick to float 10m, then the flow rate is
5x1x(10/4)=12.5m3/second. To convert m3
into litres, simply multiply by 1000 i.e. 1000x12.5 = 12
500litres/second. If you have a river, you can often check the
flow rate simply by telephoning the Environment Agency, who
monitor the flow of most rivers. Some of the information is even
available online.
I
have not got enough head. Perhaps I could use a small nozzle to
get extra pressure and therefore more power?
Power is dependant on flow rate and head. Nothing else...or at
least, nothing you can change (the gravitational constant and
the density of water).
HEATPUMPS
Are the
Navitron Heat pumps suitable for single phase or 3 phase
electricity?
The Navitron 5kW
and 9kW heat pumps are suitable for standard 240v single phase
input.
What refrigerant type is used in the WRB05
and WRB09 heatpumps?
We use R407c which in an environmentally-friendly refrigerant
with zero-ozone depleting coefficient.
Can you
provide larger heat pumps?
Yes, we can provide heat pumps up to 16kW. Larger units are
available on request
How does a heat pump work?
A heat pump does not create heat,
but rather it moves heat from one place to another. Your
refrigerator is a heat pump that moves warm air from inside the
box to outside making inside the box colder. A ground source
heat pump collects heat energy stored in the earth and transfers
it inside your home. However, it does so very efficiently - up
to 6 times as much heat is produced compared with the
electricity required to run it.
I’ve heard heat pumps don’t work very well
in cold climates.
Some air source heat pumps,
especially the older models, don’t perform well when the outdoor
temperature drops below freezing. Ground source heat pumps
connect with the earth and are not affected by freezing
temperatures.
How is the heat transferred between
the earth and my home?
The earth has the ability to absorb and
store heat energy. To use that stored energy, heat is extracted
from the earth through a liquid medium (groundwater or an
anti-freeze solution), and is pumped to the heat exchanger of
the heat pump. There it’s converted into usable heat for the
home.

Horizontal Loop System
How much can I save?
A ground source heat pump is
three to four times more efficient than a conventional furnace.
The unit is moving heat- not creating it, so the only
electricity being used is to run the compressor and fans. It
will cost less to operate than a high efficiency natural gas
furnace or wood stove, and much less than a propane or electric
furnace.
Can I use the Navitron Ground Source Heat
Pump to Cool my house in the summer?
Yes, you can select the cooling function on the control panel to
run the system in reverse and provide cooling in the summer. Do
not try to cool the house during winter, or damage may occur to
the heatpump.
How does the cooling work?
In the cooling mode, a ground
source heat pump takes heat from indoors and transfers it to the
cooler earth. You can change from heating to cooling with a
flick of a switch on the indoor thermostat.
How does it connect with the earth?
The actual connection is made
either through groundwater - an open loop system like a well, or
an underground, closed loop system. Most installations use a
closed loop.The closed loop uses a continuous
loop of a plastic pipe, buried to make contact with the ground.
What can I use for the ground source loop?
There are a variety of heat sources you can use:
-
A
loop or several loops of plastic pipe buried in the ground,
at a depth of at least 2m
-
W
loop o several loops of plastic pipe suspended in a lake,
river or other source of flowing water
-
Well
water/stream water/river water/sea water pumped directly
through the heat pump, using a suitable filter to prevent
ingress of dirt and abrasive particles.
-
Water pumped directly from a bore hole, and returned to
another bore hole at least 10metres away
Where is the buried loop located?
That depends on land availability
and terrain. Most closed loops are trenched horizontally in
yards adjacent to the house.
How deep and long are the trenches?
Trenches are
normally 1 to 3metres deep. Plastic pipe is placed in the trench, often in
multiple layers. Trench length will depend on size and
insulation levels of the house. Alternatively, the pipe can be
laid out as 'slinkies' which reduces the required trench length.
What length of pipe will I need for the
ground loop?
Typically for the 9kW unit, you will need approximately 300m of
pipe. Standard pipe 20mm diameter is sufficient. This can be
purchased as 150m rolls. Typically in warmer climates you should
lay 1m of pipe per 40watts of heatpump (heating) rating. In
colder climates, 1m of pipe should be laid for each 30watts of
heatpump. The pipe should be laid between 2 and 4metres deep. If
space is limited, it is possible to lay pipes at different
depths in the same trench - eg 4m/3m/2m.
Should I use antifreeze in the
groundloop?
Yes, ideally. In case of leakage, it is important to use a
non-toxic antifreeze. The cheapest and easiest solution is to
use common salt. You should add enough salt to protect to -12C.
Do I need separate ground loops for
heating and cooling?
No. The same loop works for both.
The only thing that happens when changing from heating to
cooling, or vice-versa, is the flow of heat is reversed.
What if there’s no room for a
horizontal loop?
Closed loop systems can also be vertical. Holes are bored to
about 40 to 60metres. U-shaped
loops of pipe are inserted into the holes, and the holes are
backfilled with sealing solution.

Vertical Loop System
What is the pipe made of?
Closed loop systems should only
be installed using high-density polyethylene or polybutylene
plastic. These pipes are inert to chemicals normally found in
the soil, and are guaranteed for 50 years. PVC pipe should not
be used under any circumstances.
Can I put a loop in a pond or a lake?
Yes, if it’s deep enough and
large enough. A minimum of six feet in depth at its lowest level
during the year is needed for a pond to be considered. Certain
permits may be required to place a loop in a lake.
Can a ground source heat pump also
heat water for hot water?
Yes, by using a device called a
desuperheater. Desuperheaters are standard on some units, and
optional on others. Producing high temperature water can be very
inefficient with heat pumps by comparison to the standard COP
rating. The WRB series heatpumps do not have a desuperheater
facility, as they are designed for high efficiency.
What size water pump should I fit to
circulate the ground-loop water?
The circulation pump for the ground loop is not included in the
heat pump (however, an internal pump is provided to circulate
the heated output water). We recommend that the pump should
produce a flow rate of at least 0.25litres/second and be capable
of working with a 10m head. Bearing in mind the resistance of
the ground loop, this generally requires a circulation pump of
at least 250watts electrical consumption.
What is the noise level of the WRB05
and WRB09 heatpumps?
We have not taken accurate noise level measurements, but it is
approximately 50dB
Email:
sales @ navitron .org .uk
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