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SOLAR

What Size is the collector?
The 10 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x 760 x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x1500x130mm (LxWxH)
The 30 tube double-walled tube collector (47mm tubes) is 1760x2170x130mm (LxWxH)

The 20 tube double-walled tube collector (58mm tubes) is 1900x1660x130mm (LxWxH)
The 30 tube double-walled tube collector (58mm tubes) is 1900x 2406 x130mm (LxWxH)

The 10 tube single-walled tube collector (70mm tubes) is 1760x1000x130mm (LxWxH)
The 20 tube single-walled tube collector (70mm tubes) is 1760x 1950 x130mm (LxWxH)

How do vacuum tube solar panels compare with flat plates?
On a hot, sunny day, flat plate panels will produce the same amount of heat, more or less, as for vacuum tube panels of the same area. Under ALL other conditions, the vacuum tube panel will outperform flat plate panels - usually by a very significant margin. Flat plate panels perform badly during windy weather, in cold conditions, in overcast conditions etc. Some of the very best flat plate collectors can compensate for this with more advanced design, but even then, they still do not perform as well as vacuum tube panels.

What weight are the collectors?
The 20tube 47mm panel is 48kg, the others are more or less proportional to this weight

Are The Tubes Fragile? Are they tough enough to survive impact from falling hailstones and animals?
The tubes are made from borosilicate glass, which is very tough (also known as pyrex). The tubes are designed to withstand hailstones up to 35mm  - so they are unlikely to be broken, unless dropped onto a solid floor prior to installation. Impact from falling animals is not normally considered in the design of the tubes(!)

What size solar cylinder should I fit?
We recommend that the Navitron 20tube panel is used with cylinders up to 175litres, and the Navitron 30tube panel is used with cylinders up to 260litres. Larger cylinders can be heated with 2 or more panels, and it is possible to add an extra panel to benefit from higher temperatures in the winter. In fact, if you fit a smaller cylinder, you will have hotter water, but of course less of it. We would recommend fitting a tank of 135litres if you prefer a smaller amount of hotter water.

What is the output of the panel in terms of kWh?
This varies according to the time of year - in summer we get almost 10times the amount of solar energy that we do in the winter. In the summer, you can expect to get 14kWh of heat per day from a single 20tube panel, whereas in December you can expect only 1.15kWh per day on average. Even in the winter, it is possible to preheat the water to 40C or more if the sun comes out. In fact, if you fit multiple panels, it is possible to heat your hot water to 100C in January (we have seen this in Cornwall).

What is the difference between the 47mm, 58mm and 70mm tubes?
The standard tubes are 47mm, and are of twin wall construction. The 58mm tubes are also twin-walled, but longer (1.8m rather than 1.5m) and wider. This means that for a given number of tubes the 58mm tubes will produce 50% more heat than the same number of 47mm tubes (but the cost is 50% higher too!). The 47mm tubes are easier to transport, and are less fragile in handling due to their shorter length. The 70mm solar tubes are single-walled construction. This is more expensive to manufacture, but provides better performance in extreme conditions. A 10tube 70mm panel should produce around 90% of the output of a 20tube 47mm panel.

 

 

How hot will the water get?
This depends on the size of the cylinder you chose, and the amount of water you use. A smaller cylinder will be heated to higher temperatures, whereas a larger cylinder will heat more water, but not to the same extent. Systems are generally designed to heat water to 65C or so, although during the winter, it may be necessary to 'top-up' the heat on less sunny days. Large arrays, running high temperature solar antifreeze at high pressures can be designed to achieve temperatures of 170C or more!

Where do these need placing and at what angle?
Panels should be sited on a south facing wall or roof. In fact, anywhere between South-West and South East will give good results. If you are limited to an East-West facing system, then you will need two panels to provide the same amount of hot water as a single south-facing roof slope. The most frequent solution to this problem is normally to mount one panel on the east slope and a second panel on the west slope. A special controller is available for East/West facing installations.

The panels should be mounted at the angle of your lattitude. For example, at our location in the UK, this is 53˚. This is AVERAGE optimum angle. In fact, in winter the optimum angle is 15˚ steeper, whereas in the summer it is 15˚ shallower. The panels will function anywhere between 15 and 90˚ angle of inclination. This is actually academic, a variation of 15˚ will make very little difference to the output, so most people simply settle for whatever angle their roof slope is. The extra cost of trying to stand panels off the roof to achieve better efficiency would probably be better spent on purchasing a second panel!

Does the roof need to be strengthened at all?
The solar panel in operation weighs around 50kg - this is really not much weight for a roof, when you consider the weight of the tiles or slates. Generally there is no requirement to strengthen a house roof prior to mounting the solar panel, except if you are fitting a panel to a very old roof, which has sagging and decaying timbers.

Are spares available?
Yes, spares are always available, should you need them. With no moving parts, it is very unlikely that you will need to replace anything, but occasionally customers break tubes during the installation process, in which case you can purchase a modestly-priced replacement. However, it is not possible to post a replacement tube, so you will need to collect it. The tubes are made of borosillicate glass (aka 'pyrex') so they are actually very tough.

Are the panels guaranteed?
Yes, we offer a 12month guarantee, although, with no moving parts the panels are extremely long-lived, probably in excess of 25years. In fact, the manufacturers offer a much longer guarantee, but in the UK we do not offer this extended period due to the legal requirements - if we were to offer a 25year guarantee, we would need to take out an 'indemnity' policy on the product. The insurance company bases its risk on an assumption that if it priced the policy on the basis of replacing the unit once within 25years, then they will ensure profitability regardless of claims - thus they would cost this in at probably £300 or more per item sold. The cost is out of line with our policy of keeping prices as low as possible, and We decided that most customers probably would not want to pay this additional fee!

Can I fit this system DIY?
Yes you can! These systems are very easy to fit, and anyone with basic plumbing and electric skills can carry out a DIY installation. Mounting the panel on the roof is sometimes daunting, although it is actually quite simple - but we can offer this service, if required.

What if I have a combi boiler?
Have a look at this page - where you can also find a light-hearted alternative!

Can I come on a course to learn how to install solar water heating systems?
Yes you can! We run training courses every month, which are designed to run through everything you need to know, whether you are planning to DIY, or become a professional installer.

Will the system need to be inspected by a plumber or be installed by a
plumber?

No, you can do this yourself. However, you can call in a plumber to carry out the work if you feel you are not able to tackle to plumbing yourself.
We normally recommend that you fit a pressurised system. This is not essential, but it allows you to place the solar panel on the roof without worrying about whether it is possible to place the header tank high enough to function correctly. With a pressurised system, the plumbing is simpler, and by running the system at 1-2bar, it is possible to increase the boiling point of the water to 120C or higher - allowing greater safety margins, and lower chance of fluid loss.

How much maintenance do the systems require?
Very little maintenance is required for solar water heating systems. You should occasionally check the system pressure, to make sure there has been no water loss, and to check for any air in the system. The only other requirement is to ensure that there is an electricity supply connected at all times, otherwise without pump circulation, in strong sunshine, the panel could overheat, and start to boil off water.

What about freezing in Cold Weather?
The solar panel is very well insulated - the manifold is surrounded by 2"of rockwool insulation. This is better than your outdoor water pipes, so it is unlikely to freeze except in exceptionally cold weather. However, it is recommended that you take precautions to prevent the possibility of freezing, by either adding antifreeze to the system (use a non-toxic solar antifreeze) or you can use a DELTASOL B controller which has 'freeze protection' - this controller monitors the temperature of the collector - and if it falls below 4C, it will turn on the pump, allowing water to circulate and heat the manifold. You should turn this function off if you use antifreeze.

Can I use Solar Power with a Mains Pressure Hot Water Cylinder?
Yes. There are two ways to achieve this. You can either purchase a mains pressure unvented water cylinder (these can be expensive). Please note that you will have to have a pressure vessel certificate to install these. Alternatively, you can fit a 'solar store' cylinder (see below)

What is a Thermal Store?
A thermal store is a tank which has an additional large surface area high efficiency coil fitted. The mains cold water is fed into this coil, thus heating the water on its way through. The mains water exits the tank as hot as the hottest water in the tank, but without losing any pressure - thus providing mains pressue hot water to the household taps.

Can I get a grant for these systems?
Grants are only available for professionally installed systems. At the moment, the Navitron panel is undergoing testing for the solar grant. However, this will take several months, and costs in the region of £15000. The government has refused to allow a UK laboratory to carry out the required tests - so we are forced to use labs on the continent - which pushes up the cost of the exercise. Once we have carried out the required tests, the price of the panels will have to increase to cover the investment. For this reason, it is likely that the grant will not make the solar installation any cheaper. Navitron solar installations are available at £2500, whereas the grant-aided systems are generally £6000-8000, with a £400 grant!

Do I need planning permission?
In most cases, no. Evacuated tube solar panels are considered in the same way as roof windows. Unless you live in a listed building, it is unlikely that it will require planning permission. Even if you do live in a listed building, you can usually fit the panel to the rear of the building, or at ground level without requiring planning permission

Can I power the pump with solar energy?
Yes, this is possible. For flat plate collectors, manufacturers will specify a 5W photovoltaic panel, and a 5-10W low voltage pump. This is because flate plate collectors do not work efficiently in low sun conditions, so the pump only needs to function in bright sunlight. This is insufficient for evacuated tubes, which due to their high efficiency, will require pump circulation even in overcast conditions. For this reason, the pump should be rated at least 10W, and the panel 20W to provide sufficient circulation. At the moment, there is no cost-effective low voltage pump on the market suitable for pumping hot water. The most popular 12v solar pump, the 'ivan' retails at around £150-200, making this an expensive option. It is possible to use a solar photovoltaic panel to drive a mains inverter, powering a standard 220v circulation pump, but most customers do not want the complexity of such as system.

What is the difference between the single-walled and double-walled solar panels?
The difference relates to the design of the solar tubes. The standard tubes are double-walled, with a vacuum between the two walls of the glass. The centre is filled with air and the heatpipe runs up through the centre. The single walled tube is entirely filled with vacuum, and the vacuum is sealed by a glass-metal weld sealing the heatpipe to the glass. This is technically much more difficult to do, hence the cost is much higher. The single walled tube has a marginal advantage over the double-walled tube in that it reacts much quicker to sunlight (eg in winter it starts to heat water within 5-10minutes rather than 10-15minutes, and in summer the single walled tubes will start heating in just 30-45seconds whereas the double-walled tubes will take 2-3minutes) - so it is slightly more efficient in marginal conditions. However, it also cools down quicker, whereas the standard tube will continue to heat for 10-15minutes after the sun goes in. A 10tube single walled panel (70mm diameter tubes) produces about 10% less heat than a standard 20tube double-walled panel (47mm diameter tubes).

How many panels/tubes do I require to meet my household needs?
This is a difficult question to answer as it depends on your water usage. For example, one person that contacted us lives in a motorhome, and uses only 70litres of hot water over a two week period. A young couple I spoke to estimated their hot water consumption to be at least 400litres per day!
First you should calculate how large a hot water cylinder you require to meet your needs. Remember that solar cylinders are normally designed to store water for use over 2 days, rather than one, thus allowing you hot water even if the following day is cloudy. Once you have calculated your cylinder size, you can estimate your panel size on the basis of One Solar Tube per 6.5 - 8.5litres of hot water cylinder (i.e. a 20tube panel can supply hot water for a 120-170litre cylinder, and a 30tube panel can supply 180 - 255litres). This assumes you have an unshaded south-facing roofslope to mount the panel

Can I heat my house with evacuated solar tubes?
There is 10 times more sun energy in the summer than in the winter. (this is the reason for the different seasons, after all). Therefore you immediately have the problem that the bulk of the energy is at the wrong time of year. The other problem with using solar to heat your house is that it is not present at the times when it is really cold - at night, on very overcast days, in winter evenings etc.
In practice you can provide a significant amount of supplementary heat in the spring and autumn (and some people have implemented such systems), but the contribution in the winter will be minimal, restricted to sunny days, but you will need to fit many more panels, as heating a house is a lot larger task than heating an insulated cylinder of water. Solar water heating on the other hand, can be effective even in the winter, as the amount of heat required is considerably less than that required to heat a house.

How much heat energy can I store in my cylinder?
Let's use this example - a 260litre cylinder of water, heated to 65°C. Assuming that room temperature in the house is 18°C, then the difference between the cylinder water and ambient air temperature (dT) is 47°C. The heat energy stored can be calculated by multiplying together the volume of water in the tank (in litres) by the dT by the specific heat capacity of water (4200kJ/kg K) - i.e. 260 x 47 x 4200 = 51.3MJ. (if we are really fussy, we can add the heat capacity of the copper cylinder itself - ie 0.2MJ). If we divide this by 3.6M, we arrive at the number of kWh storage ie 14.3kWh.

What about overheating?
Many people worry about this, although on systems with long piperuns the maximum temperature will be controlled by the insulation on the pipe-runs, as the pipes get hotter, heat losses will increase. If you correctly size a system, then overheating is not that likely, but if you oversize the cylinders - for example if you are a heavy water user and you want maximum gain, then you will need to consider cooling issues- particularly if you plan to go away on holiday during mid summer (ie no water drawn off for a week or two). There are various ways to do it, using the BS3 controller:

  1. Overheating protection can be achieved by setting the controller to continue to circulate the water after the sun goes down (OREC) - this effectively utilises the pipework to cool the cylinder. When the cylinder drops below the set temperature, it ceases to circulate.
  2. 'Aftercooling' function - when enabled, this function will divert the solar heated water through a separate loop to dump the excess heat - this could be           
                a.) A towel radiator in a bathroom
                b.) A radiator installed simply for dumping heat - eg on the outside of the house (assuming it is weatherproof) or in the roofspace).
                c.) If the existing boiler system connected to the top coil in the solar cylinder is pumped, you can use the BS3 solar controller relay to drive the existing central heating pump directly, which will effectively extract heat from the coil inside the cylinder by pumping water around the boiler and house radiators. You should ensure that the boiler is turned off or use a relay between the pump and the boiler controller, to prevent the boiler switching on (normally if the pump is powered-up, as it is connected to the 'call' function of the boiler controller, it will also fire up the boiler). This method involves NO PLUMBING so it can be more attractive for that reason.
  3. Even if you have not implemented any of the above, when the panel gets too hot, and steam is produced, the extra volume of the system will be absorbed by the expansion vessel. When the system recools, the steam will condense again and the system will start to work again, without the need to refill or top-up. You should not rely on this method routinely, but it will protect the system without causing damage.

Do I need planning permission for solar panels?
You should refer this question to your local planning department for a definitive answer, but the answer is normally 'No, you do not require planning permission'. This is because solar panels satisfy the 'permitted development' requirements that they 'do not significantly project above the roof plane'. If you live in a listed building, an AONB, Conservation Area etc, then you may be subject to different planning rules. In these circumstances, it is usually possible to site solar panels without the need for planning permission (do a search on our forum pages for more information), but it varies from case to case. It is also usually possible to mount the panels at ground level to avoid the need for planning permission, if necessary!

How many panels do I need to heat my pool?
It depends what area of pool you need to heat, how well insulated it is, whether it has a pool cover, if it is above/below ground, how many weeks of the year you need to use it etc. However, as a rule of thumb we recommend that you start with solar panels equivalent to 25% of the pool area, but you can increase this up to 35% if more heat is required. As the panels are modular, it is easy to upgrade the panels at a later date if required. We strongly recommend the use of a pool cover when the pool is not in use, as it dramatically reduces heat loss through evaporation.

Can I use a Navitron vacuum tube solar panel with a drain-down system?
Drain down systems are a fairly primitive method for frost-protection. The components are large, expensive, and can easily be avoided using Navitron solar antifreeze or the frost-protection feature of the Navitron controllers. However, if you already have a drain-down system, it is possible to replace your existing panel with a Navitron panel in most cases. See the following webpage for more information: Drain-Down Systems

       

WIND

Are these prices for real?!
Yes, these are real prices! I think you call it 'ethical pricing'! It is a full kit - the only thing you will need apart from this is - batteries (I can supply 110Ah deep-cycle batteries for £45), battery hook-up wires and cement for the foundations. These wind turbines are extremely good, and I have sold a lot in the UK. Unfortunately, as there are a lot of over-priced wind turbines for sale, it seems too good to be true - so if you are thinking this, feel free to come and have a look at the turbines before you buy - you can take one away with you if you decide you like it.

What the dimensions for the various turbines?
The dimensions are as follows:

200W   2m diameter, 4m tower
300W 2.5m diameter, 6m tower
500W 2.7m diameter, 6m tower
1kW  3.0m diameter, 6m tower

What power wind turbine do I need to power my house?
How do I know?! It depends on the wind available and the amount of electricity that you use. Neither is something that I can determine. I can provide some guidance however - click here for more details

Does your wind turbine produce 1kW per hour or per day?
You are confusing power (kW) and energy (kWh). The wind turbine power is measured in kW - this means the rate at which it produces renewable energy. If you measure the amount of energy produced by the wind turbine in a given time e.g. in a day, you would do so in kWh (kW hours). So if the turbine ran at full power (2kW) for 4 hours, then it would produced 2kWx4=8kWh of energy. Another example is a 100W lightbulb. This uses 0.1kW of power when it is running. If the light was lit for 5hours, then it would use 0.1 x 5hours = 0.5kWh of energy


Do I need planning permission?
Planning requirements vary from one area to another. Most planning departments will require planning consent for structures over 4m high. However, planning should not be required for temporary structures - and many people have successfully argued that a tilt-up tower (as supplied by Navitron), is a temporary structure, as it can be lowered to the ground when not in use. The same applies for mounting the turbine on any kind of moveable structure, such as a trailer, light gantry, cherry-picker or forklift.
If planning consent is sought, it is normally granted without problems, and we can help with the wording of planning applications, if required.
Approximately 95% of customers do not bother with planning permission, and this does not normally cause problems. You can always apply retrospectively, if required to do so.

Where should I site the wind turbine?
The turbine should be sited far enough away from living and sleeping areas so as not to cause disturbance. Consideration should also be given to neighbours in this respect - after all, they will not be reaping the free electricity from the wind turbine! Generally the wind turbine should be at least 6m (for 4m towers) or 8m (for 6m towers) from the house. To ensure safety, the tower should be sited away from buildings, cars and play-areas etc. so that no damage will occur to property if  the tower should fall for any reason. You should not allow anyone to come within 7m of the tower whilst the wind turbine is operating, or during windy weather, for safety reasons. Some companies advocate mounting a wind turbine on a rooftop or gable end. This is strongly discouraged by most installers for the following reasons: vibration will carry through the building structure and exaggerate noise inside the building; the building structure may be weakened by constant vibration, unless a very small turbine is used; planning consent is much less likely for roof-mounted turbines and the turbulence associated with a roof will reduce performance and lifespan

In terms of performance, the wind turbine should be mounted in an open position away from trees, buildings or any other structures. The turbine should be mounted as high as practical, and with clear views to the prevailing wind. If possible, the turbine should be located on a hilltop, or ridge on the side exposed to the prevailing winds. Not all locations can provide ideal positions for wind turbines, but even theoretically poor sites can yield adequate results, although you may experience lower outputs.

How much noise do these make?
Wind turbines are not silent, but nor are conventional power sources (think of petrol or diesel generators!). The wind turbines make a swishing noise, caused by turbulence around the blades. This is not particularly loud, and often the noise of the wind itself and of trees buffeting in the wind is louder. However, in strong winds, the turbine can create a whistling noise - so it is not a good idea to site it immediately next to the bedroom window, however, with double-glazing, it is unlikely that you will hear the turbine inside a building 10metres away.

The survival wind speed (40m/s) seems low
Actually this is quite fast - it is equivalent to 90mph. This is the highest inland wind speed ever recorded in the UK. However most wind turbine failures are caused by gusts rather than constant high speed wind - often gusts will be far faster than the measured wind speed, and often come from a completely different direction. For customers in very windy areas-particularly on the coast in exposed locations - may consider this survival speed too low. In such circumstances, it is possible to trim the blades to a shorter length, which will reduce their performance in low wind speeds, but it will allow the turbine to withstand higher wind speeds without damage. It is important to bear in mind that these turbines are low-wind speed turbines, which in average UK winds, outperform wind turbines from another British manufacturer rated at 4 times higher power!

Can I get a grant for these systems?
In order to get approval for the government's so-called grant scheme, it is a necessary for us to spend £10 000+ getting the wind turbines approved. If we do this, the price of the wind turbines would have to be increased substantially to cover the cost of this approval. When the government have issued little more than 200 grants in total, it seems that these grants are not that readily available! DIY installations are specifically excluded by the grant scheme, so you would be looking at spending £15 000+ to qualify for a wind turbine grant!

Can I connect the wind turbine to the grid to sell the electricity?
The wind turbines producing less than 1kW of power are low-voltage machines, designed for charging 24v-48v battery banks. You will need a 'grid tie inverter' to feed electricity into the mains supply. These are special inverters that must meet the requirements set out in the G83 electrical standard (http://www.iee.org/Publish/WireRegs/Commentary-updateJun03.pdf )However, grid-tie inverters are usually designed for input voltages of 200-600v, so most are not suitable for this application. There are a few available for example Phillips can provide suitable equipment which accepts low voltage input.

How much maintenance do the systems require?
The wind turbines are very reliable. No strict maintenance is necessary, but the turbine blades should be checked regularly for damage, and to ensure that they are in balance, and the structural parts (tower, guy wires, anchors etc) should be checked for structural damage, cracks etc

Are spares available?
Yes, spares are available for these machines. The turbines are very reliable, so it is unlikely you will need spares, unless you make a mistake during installation.

Will the system need to be inspected by a electrician or be installed by an
electrician?

As these are low voltage systems, you do not need to get an electrician to install or commission the system. However, if you plan to connect anything to your household wiring system, you should consult a qualified electrician.

What is the best way to utilise wind power?
Wind power is not a constant resource. For this reason there are three ways to use the wind:

1. Store the power in batteries, for reuse when needed
2. Use the power to provide heating (especially useful as houses lose heat faster in windy weather)
3. Sell the electricity directly to the grid, and buy it back when required.

Battery storage is the easiest way to utilise wind power. Our kits are supplied with charge controllers to regulate the power going to the batteries, but they are also supplied with a dump load, which will produce heat, once the batteries are fully charged.

What batteries should I use?
Any type of lead acid battery can be used, but the best batteries to use are 'deep cycle batteries'. Unlike car batteries, these are designed to withstand deep discharge without damage. They are made with much thicker and heavier lead plates, which are more resistant to damage, and last many times longer than conventional lead acid batteries. Deep cycle batteries are also used for forklifts and leisure batteries. We can supply suitable deep cycle batteries at excellent prices- please ask us for details.

Do not be tempted to buy gel cell batteries. These are good batteries, but not very suitable for renewable energy use. This is because gel cells are designed to be charged carefully, and within strict limitations. The variable nature of renewable energy makes this application quite unsuitable.

How many batteries do I need?
The smaller wind turbines are designed for 24v usage. The 500W turbine is designed for 36v and the 1kW for 48v. You therefore need to use the appropriate number of 12v deep cycle batteries connected in series i.e. 2x12v for 24v operation, 3x12v for 36v or 4x12v for 48v. If you need higher capacity, you can make up additional banks of batteries and put these in parallel - see diagram below:


What is the recommended system voltage and wattage, and why?
It is a matter of personal preference, and there are many variables that affect this decision. Often it is necessary to chose a wind turbine that has to integrate into an existing system - eg photovoltaics, an existing battery bank or a DC backup system. In this case, your choice of turbine will be determined to some extent by the existing system voltage. If you are not constrained by this, you need to work out how much power you require, and how much power is available. Wind power varies enormously from one site to another, and even at different locations on the same site, but as a general rule, in a good location you will expect about 30% of the maximum output when you average out over the whole year. You can expect proportionately more power during the winter months, and periods of bad weather.

Incidentally, it is possible to boost the performance of the wind turbine in very low wind conditions by using it will a smaller battery bank than intended. For example, if you use a 500W 36v turbine to charge 24v batteries, then the power curve will be shifted towards lower wind speeds, but with a penalty of having a lower maximum output. One customer reported that his Navitron 500W turbine massively exceeded the output of a Proven 2kW turbine in almost all conditions, when used with a 24v battery.

How do I connect the batteries?
The batteries should be connected in series to produce the required voltage. In other words, if you wish to make up a 36v battery bank using three 12v batteries, you should connect the negative terminal of battery '1' to the positive terminal of battery '2' and the negative terminal of battery '2' to the positive terminal of battery '3'. The charge controller output should then be connected to the positive terminal of battery '1' and the negative terminal of battery '3'.

Where can I get the cables for the batteries?

Battery cable can be made up from sufficiently thick copper cable, short lengths of steel or brass bar with battery clamps attached, or if you have screw terminals, you can make connectors from steel plate with appropriately drilled holes. It is also possible to purchase battery cable from battery or renewable energy suppliers, but expect to pay a high price!

Do you have 12v wind turbines for sale?
Yes, we can now supply the 200W and 300W turbines suitable for 12v operation

Can I use the 200W/300W wind turbine with 12v (or 500W/1000W turbine on 24v)?
Yes, you can use any of the wind turbines that I sell on 24v or 12v systems. This will mean that the maximum power output is much reduced as the battery will act as a brake. For example, if you use the 500W (36v) turbine with 12 volt systems expect 1/3 of the power, so around 180Watts max, on a 24 volt system the same machine will produce about 365 Watts max. On the other hand your cut in speed is much reduced. If you were to use a 200 Watt (24v) Navitron wind turbine on a 12v system, its cut in speed will be reduced from around 4.5m/s to around 2.5m/s and on low wind sites, you will get much more power out of it over a week. You have to obtain a new voltage regulator to prevent over-charging of the battery.

****note: 12v versions of the 200W/300W turbines now available, also 24v version of the 500W turbine also available******

How do I tell how charged my Batteries are?
The state-of-charge of a lead-acid battery can, to a certain extent, be estimated by measuring the open terminal voltage. Prior to measuring, the battery must have rested for 4-8 hours after charge or discharge and reside at room temperature. A cold battery would show slightly higher voltages and a hot battery would be lower. Plate additions of calcium and antimony will also vary the open terminal voltage. Furthermore, AGM has a higher voltage plateau than the flooded lead acid

State of Charge Voltage (open circuit)
100% 12.65v
75% 12.45v
50% 12.24v
25% 12.06v
0% 11.89v

Why does my inverter shut down unexpectedly?
This can be for two possible reasons - either the inverter is overloaded, or the voltage is too low (due to battery voltage too low, poor battery connections or insufficiently heavy battery cable). The inverter shuts down before the batteries are completely discharged to protect the battery from damage

Should I balance the blades before use?
Yes. Balancing the blades will result in trouble free running, smoother operation with less vibration and longer bearing life.

How do I balance the blades?
This is actually quite simply. With the turbine in its normal position, and stationary, blades and hub attached, simply place a weight onto one of the blades extended horizontally from the hub. Start with the weight next to the hub, and gradually move it outwards until the blade starts to turn. Measure the minimum distance required to start turning. Repeat with each blade. If all the measurements are the same, then the blades are balanced. If however, one blade requires the weight to be further out, it means that this blade is lighter, and therefore more weight must be added. You can do this by sandwiching lead plates between the blades and the retaining plates.

Do I need to protect my turbine from Lightning?
In many areas, this is not a real threat, however wind turbine towers should be properly grounded or induced current from a nearby lightning strike could damage the associated electronics. Generally, the metal components of the tower and turbine should be grounded to one or more ground rods near the tower base. Very tall towers should have a ground rod at the base plus an additional ground rod at each guy anchor, with all guy wires that connect to that anchor bonded together

How much power can I feed into the National Grid (If using Grid-connect inverters)?
The electricity companies restrict grid-tie systems to 3.6kW per phase (ie 10kW for 3 phase). The supply lines will handle a great deal more than this (an average house has a 100A fuse - so you can consume up to 24kW). You can often agree a higher grid-feed limit, but this normally requires a survey - which can cost up to £500.

 

WATER

What power output is available?
We can supply water turbines from 200W to 1000kW

What is the voltage/frequency output?
220v 50Hz single phase a.c.

Why not low voltage DC?
Because the higher voltage allows you to site the water turbine further away from the house without incurring heavy powerline losses. Also, it allows you to use these turbines directly with household wiring, without the expense and efficiency losses provided by an inverter system. It is of course necessary to ensure that the incoming mains electricity and the turbine-produced electric are kept separate using a changeover switch.

What about load variations?
All of our turbines come with an integral dump load connected to a voltage stabiliser circuit. Some manufacturers supply these at additional costs of hundreds of pounds. The voltage stabiliser ensures that a constant maximum load is placed on the turbine at all times. The circuitry reacts to changes in applied load, and feeds any excess power into the dump load, thus maintaining voltage and frequency.

What Head of Water do I need?
The minimum head is 1.8m. Ideally, you should have more head than this, as you need a large volume of water to produce sufficient power at low head sites

Can you survey my site for me, and tell me how much power I can produce?
Yes, we can, but it takes time, travel etc. We prefer to concentrate on offering the best products at the lowest prices, in order to make these technologies affordable. Consequently, we do not build-in the cost of so-called 'free surveys' into the price. Instead we try to offer all the information you will need in order to do it yourself. Therefore we can offer the service at a price, but you need to consider the cost of the survey with the cost of buying a turbine and some pipe to try it out. For small scale sites, our turbine prices are so competitive, you might as well do some crude calculations yourself, and purchase a turbine to test it out.

Can I survey my own site to save money?
Yes, of course! We encourage customers to do this, as surveying costs are high, and yet it is very easy to achieve fairly accurate results by carrying out a DIY survey. Many installers will try to make you believe that this is a magic art which requires great skill. Read below to find out how to survey your own water site, and then decide if you agree!

How do I calculate the potential power of a site?
You need to measure the maximum fall available and the flow rate. Bear in mind that flow rate varies considerably by season, and the turbine will not work if flow rate drops below the design requirements. The power output (watts) = head (metres) x flow (litres/second) x gravitational constant ('g' i.e. 9.81) x efficiency (~70%)

How do I measure head?
The best method is to use a laser level. Set up the laser level at the point where you intend to divert water from the main flow. It is easier to set this up at waist height, so measure the height difference from the level to the water level. Use the laser level to project a level to a point above the lower part of the water course, where you intend to place the water turbine (use a tall tree, wall or similar to project onto). Measure the difference in height between this projected level and the water level at the lower point. Deduct the height difference between the laser level and the water level at the top of the watercourse. This is your head. If necessary you can do this in several stages, if you are surveying a long watercourse. As a crude method, on high head sites, it is sometimes possible to use the height contours on an ordnance survey map to give an approximation.

How do I measure the flow rate?
This depends on the amount of water you are trying to measure. The flow of a small stream can be measured by finding a natural dam, or installing a crude temporary dam, and diverting the flow into a large bucket. Measure the capacity of the bucket beforehand, and time how long it takes to fill the bucket. For larger water courses, where this is impractical, you can estimate the average depth and width of the water. You can then drop a leaf or stick onto the surface of the water and time how long it takes to float 1m (or 10m etc). For example if the average depth is 1m and the average width is 5m, and it takes 4seconds for the stick to float 10m, then the flow rate is 5x1x(10/4)=12.5m3/second. To convert m3 into litres, simply multiply by 1000 i.e. 1000x12.5 = 12 500litres/second. If you have a river, you can often check the flow rate simply by telephoning the Environment Agency, who monitor the flow of most rivers. Some of the information is even available online.

I have not got enough head. Perhaps I could use a small nozzle to get extra pressure and therefore more power?
Power is dependant on flow rate and head. Nothing else...or at least, nothing you can change (the gravitational constant and the density of water).

 

 

HEATPUMPS

Are the Navitron Heat pumps suitable for single phase or 3 phase electricity?
The Navitron 5kW and 9kW heat pumps are suitable for standard 240v single phase input.

What refrigerant type is used in the WRB05 and WRB09 heatpumps?
We use R407c which in an environmentally-friendly refrigerant with zero-ozone depleting coefficient.

Can you provide larger heat pumps?
Yes, we can provide heat pumps up to 16kW. Larger units are available on request

How does a heat pump work?
A heat pump does not create heat, but rather it moves heat from one place to another. Your refrigerator is a heat pump that moves warm air from inside the box to outside making inside the box colder. A ground source heat pump collects heat energy stored in the earth and transfers it inside your home. However, it does so very efficiently - up to 6 times as much heat is produced compared with the electricity required to run it.

I’ve heard heat pumps don’t work very well in cold climates.
Some air source heat pumps, especially the older models, don’t perform well when the outdoor temperature drops below freezing. Ground source heat pumps connect with the earth and are not affected by freezing temperatures.

How is the heat transferred between the earth and my home?
The earth has the ability to absorb and store heat energy. To use that stored energy, heat is extracted from the earth through a liquid medium (groundwater or an anti-freeze solution), and is pumped to the heat exchanger of the heat pump. There it’s converted into usable heat for the home.

 

 heat pump ground loop

Horizontal Loop System

 

How much can I save?
A ground source heat pump is three to four times more efficient than a conventional furnace. The unit is moving heat- not creating it, so the only electricity being used is to run the compressor and fans. It will cost less to operate than a high efficiency natural gas furnace or wood stove, and much less than a propane or electric furnace.

Can I use the Navitron Ground Source Heat Pump to Cool my house in the summer?
Yes, you can select the cooling function on the control panel to run the system in reverse and provide cooling in the summer. Do not try to cool the house during winter, or damage may occur to the heatpump.

How does the cooling work?
In the cooling mode, a ground source heat pump takes heat from indoors and transfers it to the cooler earth. You can change from heating to cooling with a flick of a switch on the indoor thermostat.

How does it connect with the earth?
The actual connection is made either through groundwater - an open loop system like a well, or an underground, closed loop system. Most installations use a closed loop.The closed loop uses a continuous loop of a plastic pipe, buried to make contact with the ground.

What can I use for the ground source loop?
There are a variety of heat sources you can use:

  • A loop or several loops of plastic pipe buried in the ground, at a depth of at least 2m

  •  W loop o several loops of plastic pipe suspended in a lake, river or other source of flowing water

  • Well water/stream water/river water/sea water pumped directly through the heat pump, using a suitable filter to prevent ingress of dirt and abrasive particles.

  • Water pumped directly from a bore hole, and returned to another bore hole at least 10metres away

Where is the buried loop located?
That depends on land availability and terrain. Most closed loops are trenched horizontally in yards adjacent to the house.

How deep and long are the trenches?
Trenches are normally 1 to 3metres deep. Plastic pipe is placed in the trench, often in multiple layers. Trench length will depend on size and insulation levels of the house. Alternatively, the pipe can be laid out as 'slinkies' which reduces the required trench length.

What length of pipe will I need for the ground loop?
Typically for the 9kW unit, you will need approximately 300m of pipe. Standard pipe 20mm diameter is sufficient. This can be purchased as 150m rolls. Typically in warmer climates you should lay 1m of pipe per 40watts of heatpump (heating) rating. In colder climates, 1m of pipe should be laid for each 30watts of heatpump. The pipe should be laid between 2 and 4metres deep. If space is limited, it is possible to lay pipes at different depths in the same trench - eg 4m/3m/2m.

Should I use antifreeze in the groundloop?
Yes, ideally. In case of leakage, it is important to use a non-toxic antifreeze. The cheapest and easiest solution is to use common salt. You should add enough salt to protect to -12C.

Do I need separate ground loops for heating and cooling?
No. The same loop works for both. The only thing that happens when changing from heating to cooling, or vice-versa, is the flow of heat is reversed.

What if there’s no room for a horizontal loop?
Closed loop systems can also be vertical. Holes are bored to about 40 to 60metres. U-shaped loops of pipe are inserted into the holes, and the holes are backfilled with sealing solution.

 

 heat pump ground loop vertical

Vertical Loop System

What is the pipe made of?
Closed loop systems should only be installed using high-density polyethylene or polybutylene plastic. These pipes are inert to chemicals normally found in the soil, and are guaranteed for 50 years. PVC pipe should not be used under any circumstances.

Can I put a loop in a pond or a lake?
Yes, if it’s deep enough and large enough. A minimum of six feet in depth at its lowest level during the year is needed for a pond to be considered. Certain permits may be required to place a loop in a lake.

Can a ground source heat pump also heat water for hot water?
Yes, by using a device called a desuperheater. Desuperheaters are standard on some units, and optional on others. Producing high temperature water can be very inefficient with heat pumps by comparison to the standard COP rating. The WRB series heatpumps do not have a desuperheater facility, as they are designed for high efficiency.

What size water pump should I fit to circulate the ground-loop water?
The circulation pump for the ground loop is not included in the heat pump (however, an internal pump is provided to circulate the heated output water). We recommend that the pump should produce a flow rate of at least 0.25litres/second and be capable of working with a 10m head. Bearing in mind the resistance of the ground loop, this generally requires a circulation pump of at least 250watts electrical consumption.

What is the noise level of the WRB05 and WRB09 heatpumps?
We have not taken accurate noise level measurements, but it is approximately 50dB

 

 

 

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